NTOA › Forums › Operational Leadership › SWAT Command Decision-Making And Leadership I: Federman v. County of Kern › Could video/audio assisted in determining if Federman was surrendering or aggressing the officers?
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September 2, 2016 at 11:50 am #4501
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October 3, 2018 at 11:35 am #6362
Wayne Griffin
ParticipantI do believe that video/audio would have assisted greatly in determining if Federman was surrendering or aggressing the officers. Cameras are non bias. Cameras don’t lie. Camera don’t change their story. Cameras don’t forget. All they have are the accounts of the officers and others involved. This would have been a great tool to have in this case.
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December 5, 2018 at 11:19 am #6483
Drew Leblanc
ParticipantI think you can look at audio/cameras from two different perspectives. One they will always show an account of the situation and it will always be there as a training tool to assist in future assignments, but the officers were already shown to have escalated the scene. All the camera would have done was shown even poorer situational awareness by team members during the active scene. I believe they are good in instances for training purposes and will allow us to be more transparent in our duties.
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January 28, 2019 at 9:00 am #6697
Jeffrey Brown
ParticipantWe have seen that audio and video does not always tell the whole story. But, it certainly may have cleared things up in this case. Since video/audio was not in use we will never know. I believe if video was in use the officers would have been granted immunity. In my opinion, it is a great tool for teams to video/audio operations not just for documentation and later litigation, but it is also great for reviewing performance.
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October 21, 2019 at 6:58 pm #7684
Jacob Taylor
ParticipantI believe they would give you a portion of what happened, but relying on a very small view of what was happening, and lack of “human orientation” make video something very difficult to explain sometimes.
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November 6, 2019 at 10:07 am #7742
Anthony Kies
ParticipantVideo and audio would have most definitely assisted with the facts as it would have been on video which would be much more factual for the courts to physically see. The outcome however wouldn’t have changed and thus this case would have ended the same way it did.
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November 6, 2019 at 10:27 am #7748
Chris Eklund
ParticipantVideo/audio would have helped to show the circumstances as they occurred. The operator perspective however is their own.
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February 25, 2020 at 10:32 am #7962
Max Yakovlev
ParticipantVideo/audio would of helped but its only part of the puzzle. Officer’s reaction and perspective is also in play and need to be taken into account.
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March 18, 2020 at 10:55 pm #8069
Adam Bradford
ParticipantVideo and audio would have definitely helped ascertain whether Federman was surrendering or aggressing. A camera records actions, it doesn’t lie, it doesn’t have emotion.
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September 24, 2020 at 12:36 am #8330
Jon Thompson
ParticipantVideo and/or audio footage may have certainly cleared up whether or not Federman was surrendering or aggressing, but it doesn’t change the fact that the officers were there on a mental health evaluation. We cannot unnecessarily and unlawfully escalate a situation and then claim, “gee, he was being aggressive” as a cover for our actions. The short answer is that video and audio may have only changed the amount of zero’s on the check written to Federman’s family.
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September 28, 2020 at 2:14 pm #8344
Jesse Laintz
ParticipantIt is hard to say that it could help, but I don’t think it would have hurt anything. There are instances where audio/video does not tell the entire story, and can even lead to more questions or unknowns. When it comes to this case and the surrendering or aggression of the subject it could have helped in showing such possibilities. So I do believe it “Could…assist” as the questions asks, but it is unknown without having it.
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December 4, 2020 at 11:11 am #8494
Shawn Wilson
ParticipantDoes it matter; If I place myself in a position of jeopardy and then kill a subject on a mental health call. De-escalation, in this case I did not see any efforts to de-escalate the situation. Every move seemed to be offensive in nature and escalate the situation. “We are not at war with our citizens” why would one push a mental health call to the point of lethal force without using any de-escalation. It does matter what time period this happened in; Federman was an American citizen just like us. The Constitution has not changed.
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December 5, 2020 at 1:29 pm #8502
Thomas Carroll
ParticipantIt may assist but video/audio is not always as helpful as we want it to be. More importantly, the focus of the investigation should be on the leadership and decision-making. I try not to be the Monday morning quarterback but I will always learn from others mistakes so I do not re-live them. This reinforces the need to use the critical thinking decision-making model and the importance of having a good professional development program.
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